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A reminder to PM Ahbisit from a passage of PM Obama's speech |
Author: hello
Date:
22 Jan 2552 10:26
And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account, to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day, because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.
Nor is the question before us whether the market is a force for good or ill. Its power to generate wealth and expand freedom is unmatched.
But this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control. The nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous.
The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our gross domestic product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart -- not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good.
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| Reply # 21 | |
Author: Chaiyo Thailand
Date: 27 Jan 2552 13:38
I thought I would like to share with all my friends in this forum what I quizzed myself this morning...........It's got nothing to do with what Obama said but I think it's helpful when we discuss about politics.
Ask ourself in which category I belong to.......
1) Great Minds discuss Great Ideas......What is done cannot be undone so concentrate and move on in Restoring Confidence in Economy, Reconciliation, Promote Harmony etc
2) Average Minds discuss Events.......like PAD occupying Government House and Airports etc
3) Small Minds discuss people.........Bad mouth about Thaksin, Abhisit, Kasit etc which results in 'anger' which is only one letter shy of the word 'Danger'.
4) No Minds discuss Nothing.......Are they the best? No, coz they act and then think. LOLOLO
Happy Lunar New Year to all the Chinese and I hope you all will buy plenty of stocks to make the year of the OX a Bull Run.
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| Reply # 20 | |
Author: hello
Date: 26 Jan 2552 16:56
Ray,
The Ebay idea is no more novel than your multimillionaire idols on Fox channels making millions for spouting BS that makes me want to puke in my soup whenever their face appear on the screen by chance. |
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| Reply # 19 | |
Author: BangkokRay
Date: 26 Jan 2552 13:49
#10, HELLO,
This is neither the time nor place to dispute the topic of my thread. This is the time and place to bash American Republicans.
PS, {;ease tell me the last time you paid a firm to remove a bowling alley and build a basketball court in the USA......or did any business in the USA?
Sell the bowling pins on EBAY, now that's a novel idea. Suggest you continue TRYING to sell your BS on this site instead. |
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| Reply # 18 | |
Author: API'SHIT
Date: 26 Jan 2552 00:36
WHO ARE YOU ?? YOU ARE NOT EVEN ELECTED !!!
SHAMELESSLY YOU EVEN HAVE THE GUTS TO BRING THIS
SENTENCE UP - BOOOO !
Abhisit says he cannot compare to Obama
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said Sunday it was too much honour for him to be compared to US President Barack Obama.
He said the new US president has done a lot of changes to the world, in which he could not match.
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| Reply # 17 | |
Author: we still waiting
Date: 25 Jan 2552 19:47
mr abhist ..well ...still nothing
please don't insult obama and compare
mr abhist to him
its truly a insult
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said Sunday it was too much honour for him to be compared to US President Barack Obama.
Dayum right
He said the new US president has done a lot of changes to the world, in which we know nr abhisit have done little to help the poor and or middle class of thailand.
i offer respect to mr abhisit due to fact hes thailand's prime minister
too even the suggestion of the comparing him to the president of the
United States of America TURNS MY STOMACH
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| Reply # 16 | |
Author: hello
Date: 25 Jan 2552 15:36
Ray,
Your best guess of re-fixing a basketball court for 2 million dollars is one that a prejudiced Joe six pack will estimate.
You are not saying that the 2 basketball rims will bling are you? Jeez thanks for the quote. I would very much like to do it at a quarter of that price. Excluding the cost of real estate I would be looking at a fat profit.
Hack, if it is to replace the bowling alley, I can do for free even and be making a fortune. I will place an ad on Ebay touting -
White House Presidential Bowling Alley equipment
- for the highest bid!!
And I am sure your rich, fat-cat, corrupt Republican idols like Cheney, Rumsfled, Limbaugh, hannity, O'reilly or Bush's Saudi royal family business associates, ad nausea, would bid at least tens of millions for them. NO? |
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| Reply # 15 | |
Author: BT
Date: 25 Jan 2552 12:14
Reply to #5, Yello+Red=Pink
Forgive me...
I just want to say that Democratic Party is very good at that - polite, oportunist, and very professional in term of talking nicely and calmly - that is their very true nature.
Democratic Party records speak for itself.
Look at their past accomplishment when Democratic Party was the government for their past two terms. No matter how many good people they put into the government or how professionalism they are. Their accomplishment was - zero, zip, nil, or non-existence and always will be. They always look good on the surface just like woman with a makeup. But beneath that makeup, it is really an ugly duckling. That is really the true nature of Democratic Party.
I also admire and agree with you that Obama has charisma, his speeches are awesome and powerful, and he is the new breed of leader whom can deliver and succeed. He is one of the few of the world leaders that people can count on to.
And Apisit (beside good looking, a draft dodger?, puppet?, ...???), he is no where near that pedestal and I would not even mention that name or compare to the Obama.
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| Reply # 14 | |
Author: Sam
Date: 24 Jan 2552 14:31
$2,000,000 for a Basketball coart???
I think exageration is getting out of hand nowadays.
how much can cement and 2 basket ball hoops cost??
So GWB made america prosper huh..... i guess 2 wars is good business after all. |
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| Reply # 13 | |
Author: Abracadabra
Date: 24 Jan 2552 01:12
I wonder how much of those so generously hand-out 2000 baht to some 20 million Thais could really put to use to revitalize the bad economy at this moment? I think most of them will try to save instead of spending? If this government will try to do like Taiwan has been done by handing out purchasing-coupons to purchase what thery really needed will create more direct and effective helps! |
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| Reply # 12 | |
Author: Abracadabra
Date: 24 Jan 2552 00:43
I wonder how much of those so generously hand-out 2000 baht to some 20 million Thais could really put to use to revitalize the bad economy at this moment? I think most of them will try to save instead of spending? If this government will try to do like Taiwan has been done by handing out purchasing-coupons to purchase what thery really needed will create more direct and effective helps! |
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| Reply # 11 | |
Author: hello
Date: 23 Jan 2552 22:50
Pink,
I agree with you about those men in uniforms. They are a problem for most countries in the past especially those that undergone political transitions or independence. It is a serious problem that Thailand seems unable to fix. Chuan I tried with Surayuth as the army chief and they failed.
Let me tell you Indonesia used to be the worst in this region. Now with SBY as their president there have been good improvements made.
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| Reply # 10 | |
Author: hello
Date: 23 Jan 2552 21:53
Ray,
This is neither the place nor the time to dispute 2 million dollars of expense to retrofit White House by PM Obama. You are making a mountain out of a molehiile and that reminds me of the petty quarrels between the two political parties of America and let met tell you do not bring that out of your country, i don't watch FOX channel and I don't wish to reinact them here - it is diobolically distasteful. Why aren't you talk about the fallout of the US economy that causes a world recession? How much is that worth?
Obama has just started his presidency and his cabinet hasn't done any thing significant yet to warrant a debate. I do not wish to talk about bowling alleys and basketball court in the White House. No wagging the dog please. |
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| Reply # 9 | |
Author: BangkokRay
Date: 23 Jan 2552 14:37
Post #7, HELLO.
I didn't hear back from you so I thought I'd elaborate a bit more. The topic focused on O's words in his address. It started out with; "And those of us who manage the public dollars be held to account".
Believe my original post stayed on topic and was holding o accountable for the public's dollars. My best guess would say that it is likely to cost the American taxpayer $2,000,000 or so to-refit the bowling alley to become a basketball court. The savings from the 100 officials would likely save, let's say, $300,000- $400,000. Is this the kind of reminder that you wanted to give A ?
Announce to the world that you will spend $2 mil and the announce to the world that you will deny pay raises. Now, that's what I call "Fiscal Responsibility" !!
This poster stayed on topic until responding to post #2.
Once more, is this the message you wanted to give? |
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| Reply # 8 | |
Author: BangkokRay
Date: 23 Jan 2552 12:28
#7, HELLO,
Seems to me YOU expanded this post considerably in #2 ? Suggest you re-read that post and advise what the topic actually is. Thanks. |
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| Reply # 7 | |
Author: hello
Date: 23 Jan 2552 12:01
Ray,
This post is about what the heading says. Period. |
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| Reply # 6 | |
Author: BangkokRay
Date: 23 Jan 2552 10:03
#4, Hello,
This conversation started with a comment by myself that Obama was inconsistant in fiscal responsibility and has somehow expanded and evolved into a psychological analysis of yours truly. As usual, I am up to the challenge. I absolutely love it when certain folks on this site take a simple, single statement made on this forum and can perform a complete psychological profile of the poster. Seems as though we should be honored to receive a free psyco-analysis by simply posting here.
I'll address your final comment first. Big Brother gave me my free service a short while back. I responded to a comment that he made about Hannity and Lindbaugh being idiots. I reminded him that they individually had a viewing audience larger than all his left wing loons combined and that their success enabled them to make in excess of $50,000,000 a year. I defende their popularity in the US market with a few facts to dispute his reference to them being idiots. His analysis was that I worship people with power and money. You seem to have done the same, based on providing a simple fact.
You, HELLO, seem to have made a similar analysis when you implied that since I was a career soldier(I wasn't a career soldier, I was a career AIRMAN) that I must be a war monger. I am extremely proud of my service and grateful to receive a very reasonable pension each month for the past 19 years. You can continue to consider me a war monger. That's your choice.
Your reference to the empty-headed GWB and the corrupt Thaksin, they governed their respective countries for 13 years combined Each of their countries fluorished during their terms. They both started with clean slated(just like O and A have). O and A have both experienced scandals and they have been in office less than ONE month(combined). Just think how many more they could have in the next 12 years and 11 months.
Both O and A have TREMENDOUS challenges to face and I wish both of them well, but this poster is not confident that either leader is up to the challeng in the long term.
I don't care to make this post a novel, so I will save other thoughts for future posts.
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| Reply # 5 | |
Author: Yello+Red=Pink
Date: 23 Jan 2552 05:28
To Author Hello,
Well, I think Abhisit has shown some professionalism so far for Thailand top job. He politely and professionally confirms that his economy stimulus package will work despite criticism from M.L. Tevakula the ex-finance minister. He seems very confidence and very comfortable for the post so far(fourth-week) on the job. He needs to make sure that his subordinates do the right thing for the people (no rotten can fish) which gave a bad taste in the mouth. Honesty, transparency and accountability should be the administration theme throughout from top to bottom. National police department should be eliminate, because they hold the law in one hand and gun on the other. They are the most corrupted organization in Thais history. The police power should be decentralize and let each provincial governor to govern them. They are too big and powerful, house cleaning is badly needed.
For Barak H. Obama, he is charismatics, his inauguration speeches are awesome and powerful. He is in touch with people all the time with his blackberry, he is the new breed of leader and I believe he can deliver and succeed.
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| Reply # 4 | |
Author: hello
Date: 22 Jan 2552 19:51
Ray,
I wrote exactly what I am trying to write and that is no matter how and what policies, handouts or pump priming one country can implement, the devil is in the details. And that devil is corruption - the scourge for countries like Thailand. The prime reason why Thailand lags (relatively) behind despite the abundance of resources and its long history of existence as a sovereign state.
GWB and Thaksin represented a passing passage of that same line of blatant corruption and cronyism politics. Whereas Obama and Ahbisit have the potential to be great and most definately better leaders because they are start off being corrupt free hence the chance for greatness and change for the good. And that potential should be good enough for anybody. They are no messiahs but they sure are a lot better than the idealogical stupidity of that empty aching head of GWB and that selfish greediness black heart of Thaksin.
But I know you will think differently but that's ok because I can understand because you told us you were a career soldier. Therein lies your vested interest. One who see war as a justification to settle international conflicts and exert ideological, economical hegonomy.
In fact war has been a vital tool of the US to dominate and rule the world - might is right kind of thing and they use it unsparingly to say it mildly.
Whereas I who was a conscripted soldier did soldiering out of my free will... as a form of national service. Therefore there is no interest in me to support and go to war. Therein lies my vest interest to reject violence and war.
Also, you can take the words out of the meaning or the meaning out of the word, but you cannot take the truth laid out in front of a common, decent, sensible man.
Your differences with "Big Brother" might be part ideological but given the fact that we are mostly centrist, your lack of objection to "Big Brother" accusation of you worshipping and idolising rich and wealthly people like O' Reilly, Limbaugh and Thaksin revealed that subtle but glaring idealogical differences.
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| Reply # 3 | |
Author: BangkokRay
Date: 22 Jan 2552 15:09
#2, Hello,
Not sure exactly what you're trying to say here, but if you are saying that USA politicians are corrupt, you sure won't get any arguement from me. Politician=corrupt. That's an international thing.
As for Obama's bar being low, he has not been around long enough to get caught. He's got Hillary(she's not corrupt, hahahah). He and his band of cronies have already got scandals to deal with. Like I told one of our multi-personality posters her; Get back to me in 12-15 months and tell me if that halo has lost some of it's brightness.
Blaming Bush for 9/11 is as crazy as saying the PAD stands for democracy.
Mr A is already feeling the heat for being the "big dog'. He's already taking his lumps(cabinet discontent, boat people). Once again, get back with me in 12-15.
Please don't pretend to be the victim. I simply stated that Obama wasn't being very consistant with his fiscal policy and you opted to take it to a new level.
FWIW, I want Obama to succeed, since the interests of the USA and the rest of the civilized world is relying on it.
Also, FWIW, I have been critical of GW too, but unlike the Thaksin haters here, I don't blame the entire ills of a nation on one person. |
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| Reply # 2 | |
Author: hello
Date: 22 Jan 2552 13:38
Ray,
The last time I checked, USA does not rank high in the league of "less corrupt country" list. It hasn't been near there for a long time. And if recalibrations where to be made on to how corruption is viewed from the lesser developed nations, USA will be ranked even lower. And if we were to measure moral standings and corruption together, then USA rankings will blow the chart/list up just like the debit clock in Manhattan NY has been rendered unusable because it ran out of digits to display the figure. We can all thank W. and the Neo cons for those explosions and more.
Still if you compare relatively and honestly, Obama has such a low bar to clear when compared to his predecessor, all he need is to squad and roll the ball for strikes instead of jumping to dunk.
As like Khun Abhisit, if he is compared to Thaksin on corruption and cronyism then morality and ethically speaking, it is also such a low bar that image wise is not a concern for Abhisit. What is more discerning is how is he going to balance his courage and skills. And here I am talking about the dark elements, the elites the real owners and most daunting of all - those men in uniforms - the Military. |
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Author: BangkokRay
Date: 22 Jan 2552 11:38
Author, Hello,
I totally agree with the overall context of your posy, but believe Obama has already done a bit of double-talk(I know, uncommon for a politician). Last week, Obama announced that he was going to remove the bowling alley in the White House and convert it to a basketball court. Yesterday, he announced a pay freeze for senior officials in the interest of saving the American taxpayer dollars. The savings for the taxpayers of the salary freeze likely won't pay for the design work to convert the bowling alley's removal, let alone the removal and reconstruction of a basketball court.
Either he's interested in fiscal responsibility or he isn't. I sincerely hope he gets challenged on this issue. |
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